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Paternal Family Tree: Comyn
Maternal Family Tree: Mathilde Unknown Countess Évreux 1120-1169
John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch and Joan Valence Lady Baddenoch were married. She by marriage Lord Baddenoch. She the daughter of William de Valence 1st Earl Pembroke and Joan Munchensi Countess Pembroke.
In 1269 John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch was born to John "The Black" Comyn 2nd Lord Baddenoch (age 27) and Mary or Eleanor Balliol Lady Baddenoch.
Around 1294 [his son] John Comyn 4th Lord Baddenoch was born to John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch (age 25) and Joan Valence Lady Baddenoch.
Chronicle of Walter of Guisborough. [1296] Having thus entered into a treaty with the king of France and his people, the Scots immediately raised their horns and prepared themselves for battle. By public proclamation, they decreed that all persons holding lands, possessions, or revenues in the kingdom of Scotland must appear armed and ready to resist the king of England and to carry out whatever further actions the king of Scotland, with the counsel of the twelve peers, might determine. Since many Englishmen and nobles who held lands there, remaining faithfully in allegiance to the king of England, refused to attend this gathering, their lands were given to others who were to hold and defend them by common agreement. These nobles, like all the English in general, were from that point considered public enemies and were expelled from the kingdom if they had not already voluntarily departed. Among them was Lord Robert de Brus (age 52), son of the Robert de Brus the Fourth mentioned above. Because he refused to attend on the appointed day, his land, namely Annandale, was given to Lord John Comyn of Buchan (age 27) to possess and defend as his own. Having taken possession of it, he immediately seized and carried off all the tithes of that region, belonging to us, for the fortification of Lochmaben Castle, without payment and by force. Our king, meanwhile, remaining firm in his intention that aid should be sent to him, was at last scornfully answered and deceived. They [the Scots] said that neither their king nor themselves were bound to him in any way, nor were they obliged to obey his requests or commands, especially since they had obtained from Pope Celestine the benefit of absolution from the oath of fealty and homage which had been unjustly extorted from their king by force. When the king heard this, he was astonished; and recognizing their rebellion, he issued a command to them as his vassals that, even if they refused to bring him aid, they should at least not allow his enemies, the French or Flemings, to enter their land. And if they wished to remain faithful to him, they should deliver three named castles, Berwick, Roxburgh, and Edinburgh, into his custody until the end of the war with France. But they utterly refused this last request, answering the first by saying, "Our land is free and exempt from all servitude. We do not acknowledge ourselves in any way bound by the commands of the king of England. Indeed, we will admit French or Flemish merchants, or others from wherever they come, freely and without any distinction of persons."
Inito itaque foedere cum rege Franciæ et suis, mox erexerunt cornua et se ad pugnam paraverunt, convenientesque statuerunt ex edicto quod omnes et singuli qui terras, possessiones, seu redditus aliquos in regno Scotia tenerent, sub forisfactura earundem venirent præparati cum armis ad resistendum regi Angliæ, et ad faciendum ulterius quod de consilio XII parium rex ipse discerneret faciendum; et quia Anglici multi et nobiles, qui terras ibidem habebant, utpote in fide regis Angliæ fideliter permanentes, ad illud colloquium venire noluerunt, ideo terræ illorum datæ sunt aliis qui ex ordinatione communi eas tenerent et defenderent. Illi etiam nobiles, sicut et cæteri Anglici universi, extunc tanquam hostes publici censebantur, et ejiciebantur a regno qui prius sponte non recesserant. Inter quos dominus Robertus de Bruys, filius Roberti quarti de quo supra meminimus, quia ad diem illum venire contempserat, data est terra sua, scilicet Vallis Anandiæ, domino Johanni Comyn de Boughan, ut eam in dominio possideret et defenderet tanquam suam; quam cum esset ingressus mox omnes decimas nostras ejusdem patriæ ad munitionem castri de Loghmaban absque ullo pretio fecit cariari et violenter retinuit. Rex vero noster dum in primo proposito permaneret ut sibi auxilium mitteretur, et illusus esset, et ei tandem proterviter hoc modo responsum est. Dixerunt enim nec regem illorum nec se teneri in aliquo, nec precibus ejus vel præceptis obsequendum, præcipue cum a fidelitate sua et homagio illicito, quod a rege eorum extorserat per potentiam, a Coelestino papa absolutionis beneficium fuerant consecuti. Quod cum audisset rex miratus est, et eorum seditione cognita, ipsis tanquam fidelibus suis præcipiendo mandavit ut quamquam auxilium sibi ferre negarent, hostes tamen suos Francos vel Flandrenses non admitterent in terram suam; et si in fide sua manere vellent, tria castra nominata, scilicet Berewyk, Rokesburgh et Edensburgh suis, saltem usque ad finem guerræ regi Franciæ, retinenda liberarent. Quod quidem ultimum facere contempserunt, ad primum respondendo dicentes, "Terra nostra libera est et ab omni servitute quieta, nec præcepto regis Angliæ fatemur in aliquo nos astrictos; immo mercatores Francos vel Flandrenses, seu alios undecumque venientes, absque ulla personarum distinctione admittemus ad votum."
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In 1302 [his father] John "The Black" Comyn 2nd Lord Baddenoch (age 60) died.
In 1302 John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch (age 33) succeeded 3rd Lord Baddenoch.
John of Fordun's Chronicle. 107. Conflict of Roslyn
On the 27th of July 13021, [Note. The date here confusing since the Battle of Roslyn is reported to have taken place on 24th February 1303] took place the great and famous engagement between the Scots and English, at Roslyn, where the English were defeated, though with great difficulty. From the beginning of the first war which ever broke out between the Scots and English, it is said, there never was so desperate a struggle, or one in which the stoutness of knightly prowess shone forth so brightly. The commander and leader in this struggle was John Comyn (age 33), the son.
Note 1. The date here confusing since the Battle of Roslyn is reported to have taken place on 24 Feb 1303.
On 24th February 1303 at Roslyn a Scottish force commanded by Simon Fraser and John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch (age 34) ambushed the English army led by John Segrave 2nd Baron Segrave (age 47) who was captured and subsequently released.
John of Fordun's Chronicle. 24th February 1303. 108. When the aforesaid king (age 63) had got news of this, he sent off a certain nobleman, Ralph Confrere, his treasurer (Ralph de Manton, the Cofferer), a man stout in battle, and of tried judgment and wisdom, with a certain body of chosen knights, thoroughly well-armed, to seek out, in every hole and corner, those who troubled and disturbed the king's peace, and not to forbear punishing them with the penalty of death. So they entered Scotland, and went about ranging through the land, until they, at Roslyn, pitched their tents, split up into three lines apart, for want of free camping room. But the aforesaid John Comyn (age 34) and Simon, with their abettors, hearing of their arrival, and wishing to steal a march rather than have one stolen upon them, came briskly through from Biggar to Roslyn, in one night, with some chosen men, who chose rather death before unworthy subjection to the English nation; and, all of a sudden, they fearlessly fell upon the enemy. But having been, a little before, roused by the sentries, all those of the first line seized their weapons, and manfully withstood the attacking foe.
In May 1303 John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch (age 34) ambushed the English army who were camped at Melrose Abbey, Melrose. Thomas Grey (age 23) was captured. Most of his comrades were killed.
On 10th February 1306 John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch (age 37) was murdered by Robert the Bruce (age 31), future King of Scotland, before the High Altar of the Greyfriars Monastery [Map]. [his uncle] Robert Comyn, John's uncle, was killed by Christopher Seton (age 28). Christopher's brother John Seton (age 28) was also present.
Murder, in a church, in front of the altar, regarded as a terrible crime. The act gave King Edward I of England (age 66) cause to invade Scotland. Robert the Bruce was ex-communicated by the Pope for his actions.
King Edward I of England charged Bishop David de Moravia as being complicit in the murder.
John of Fordun's Chronicle. 117. John Comyn's Death
1305. The same year, after the aforesaid Robert (age 30) had left the king of England (age 65) and returned home, no less miraculously than by God's grace, a day is appointed for him and the aforesaid John (age 36) to meet together at Dumfries [Map]; and both sides repair to the above-named place. John Comyn is twitted with his treachery and belied troth. The lie is at once given. The evil-speaker is stabbed, and wounded unto death, in the church of the Friars [Map]; and the wounded man is, by the friars, laid behind the altar. On being asked by those around whether he could live, straightway his answer is: - "I can." His foes, hearing this, give him another wound; - and thus was he taken away from this world on the 10th of February.
Chronicle of Walter of Guisborough. In the year of our Lord 1306, Robert de Brus (age 31), the fifth son of the son of that Robert de Brus who, as mentioned above, disputed with John de Balliol before the King of England over the kingdom of Scotland, and was, as has been shown, judicially dismissed from his claim, relying on wicked counsel, aspired to the kingdom of Scotland. Fearing Lord John Comyn (age 37), Earl of Badenoch, who was a powerful man in that land and loyal to the lord King of England, to whom he had done homage, and knowing that he could be hindered by him, sent to him deceitfully two of his brothers, namely Thomas de Brus (age 22) and Nigel (age 21), asking that he would deign to come to him at Dumfries to discuss certain matters which concerned them both. Now the justices of the lord King of England were sitting that same day in the castle, namely, on the fourth day before the Ides of February [10th February 1306] Comyn, suspecting no evil, came to him with a few companions, and they exchanged the kiss [of greeting], but not of peace, in the cloister of the Friars Minor [Franciscans] [Map]. When they were speaking together, in words that appeared peaceable, [Bruce] suddenly turned his face, twisted his words, and began to reproach him for his treachery, that he had accused him before the King of England and worsened his position to his harm. Comyn, speaking calmly and making excuses for himself, was not listened to; but Bruce, as he had conspired, struck him with his foot and sword, and stepped back. Then his men, following him, threw Comyn down on the floor of the altar, leaving him for dead. But a certain knight of Comyn's, Lord [his uncle] Robert Comyn, his uncle, ran to bring him aid; yet Christopher Seton (age 28), who had married the sister (age 33) of Lord Robert de Brus, met him and struck his head with a sword, and he died. Lord Robert de Brus then went out, and seeing Comyn's fine warhorse, mounted it; his men mounted likewise and they went on to the castle and seized it. When what had happened became known, the Scots flocked to him. The justices, fearing for themselves, shut the doors of the hall in which they sat with the few English who were with them. Hearing this, Bruce ordered fire to be set to it unless they at once surrendered; and they gave themselves up, asking for their lives and safe departure from the land, which he granted. When these things had been done, certain ill-wishers told him that Lord John Comyn was still alive; for the friars had carried him into the vestibule of the altar to tend to him and hear his confession. When he had confessed and was truly penitent, by order of the tyrant he was dragged from the vestibule and killed on the steps of the high altar, so that his blood touched the altar slab and the altar itself. After this Bruce went around the greater part of Scotland, occupying and fortifying castles and plundering the lands of the dead man; and the relatives of the deceased fled from his face, and all the English returned to their own land.
Anno Domini MCCCV Robertus de Brus, quintus filius filii illius Roberti de Brus qui, ut supradictum est, disceptavit cum Johanne de Balliolo coram rege Angliæ circa regnum Scotia, et judicialiter, ut supra patet, a sua petitione absolutus est, perverso fretus consilio ad regnum Scotia aspiravit; timensque dominum Johannem Cumyn, comitem de Badenach, qui erat homo potens in terra illa, et fidelis domino regi Angliæ, cui homagium fecerat; et sciens se impediri posse per eum, misit ad eum in dolo duos ex fratribus suis, Thomam videlicet de Brus et Nigellum, rogans ut dignaretur venire ad se apud Dunfres, super quibusdam negotiis tractaturus cum eo quæ tangebant utrosque. Sedebant enim justitiarii domini regis Angliæ eodem die in castro, IV scilicet idus Februarii. Qui, nihil mali suspicans, venit ad eum cum paucis, et mutuo se receperunt in osculum, sed non pacis, in claustro fratrum Minorum. Cumque mutuo loquerentur ad invicem, verbis, ut videbatur, pacificis, statim convertens faciem, et verba pervertens, cœpit improperare ei de seditione sua, quod eum accusaverat apud regem Angliæ, et suam conditionem deterioraverat in damnum ipsius. Qui cum pacifice loqueretur et excusaret se, noluit exaudire sermonem ejus, sed, ut conspiraverat, percussit eum pede et gladio, et retrorsum abiit. At sui extunc insequentes eum, prostraverunt eum in pavimento altaris, pro mortuo dimittentes. Cucurrit autem quidam miles ex suis, dominus Robertus Comyn avunculus ejus, ut auxilium ferret ei; sed occurrit ei Christoforus de Sethon, qui sororem domini Roberti de Brus duxerat in uxorem, et percussit caput ejus in gladio, et mortuus est. Egressusque est dominus Robertus de Brus, et videns dextrarium domini Johannis elegantem, ascendit in eum; ascenderuntque sui cum eo, et profecti sunt usque in castrum, et ceperunt illud. Cumque divulgaretur quod factum fuerat, cucurrerunt ad eum Scoti. Et justitiarii timentes sibi, clauserunt ostia aulæ in qua sedebant cum paucis Anglicis qui erant cum eis: quod audiens ipse, jussit ignem apponi, nisi confestim redderent eos; at illi dederunt se, vitam postulantes et salvum egressum a terra, quod et ipse concessit eis. Quibus ita gestis, nunciaverunt ei quidam malevoli quod dominus Johannes Comyn adhuc viveret; fratres enim asportaverant eum infra vestibulum altaris, ut medicarentur ei et confiteretur peccata sua. Qui cum confessus esset et vere pœnitens, jussu tyranni extractus est a vestibulo, et in gradibus majoris altaris interfectus, ita quod sanguis ipsius tabulam altaris tetigit, et etiam ipsum altare. Circuivit extunc the principal terram Scotia, occupando et muniendo castra, et deprædando terras mortui, fugeruntque a facie ipsius parentes defuncti, et omnes Anglici reversi sunt in terram suam.
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On 22nd May 1306 the Feast of the Swans was a collective knighting of two hundred and sixty seven men at Westminster Abbey [Map].
At the feast following the knightings two swans were brought in. King Edward I of England (age 66) swore before God and the swans to avenge the death of John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch - see Robert "The Bruce" murders John "Red" Comyn.
King Edward I of England first knighted his son King Edward II of England (age 22).
King Edward II of England then knighted the remaining two-hundred and sixty six including ...
Hugh "Younger" Despencer 1st Baron Despencer (age 20)
Edmund Fitzalan 2nd or 9th Earl of Arundel (age 21)
John le Blund, Mayor of London
William Brabazon
Roger Mortimer 1st Baron Mortimer of Chirk (age 50)
Piers Gaveston 1st Earl Cornwall (age 22) - this may have been the first time Piers Gaveston 1st Earl Cornwall and King Edward II of England met?
John Harrington 1st Baron Harington (age 25)
John Maltravers 1st Baron Maltravers (age 16)
Roger Mortimer 1st Earl March (age 19)
William Montagu 2nd Baron Montagu (age 31)
John Mowbray 2nd Baron Mowbray (age 19)
Thomas Multon 1st Baron Multon (age 30)
John Warenne 7th Earl of Surrey (age 19)
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[his father] John "The Black" Comyn 2nd Lord Baddenoch and [his mother] Mary or Eleanor Balliol Lady Baddenoch were married.
John of Fordun's Chronicle. 114. King Robert accused before the King of England by John Comyn
As the said John's accusations were repeated, at length, one night, while the wine glittered in the bowl, and that king was hastening to sit down with his secretaries, he talked over Robert's death in earnest, - and shortly determined that he would deprive him of life on the morrow. But when the Earl of Gloucester, who was Robert's true and tried friend in his utmost need, heard of this, he hastily, that same night, sent the aforesaid Robert, by his keeper of the wardrobe, twelve pence and a pair of spurs. So the keeper of the wardrobe, who guessed his lord's wishes, presented these things to Robert, from his lord, and added these words: "My lord sends these to you, in return for what he, on his side, got from you yesterday." Robert understood, from the tokens offered him, that he was threatened by the danger of death; so he discreetly gave the pence to the keeper of the wardrobe, and forthwith sent him back to the Earl with greeting in answer, and with thanks.
Then, when twilight came on, that night, after having ostentatiously ordered his servants to meet him at Carlisle [Map], with his trappings, on the evening of the following day, he straightway hastened towards Scotland, without delay, and never stopped travelling, day or night, until he was safe from the aforesaid king's spite. Tor he was under the guidance of One of whom it is written: - "There is no wisdom, no foresight, no understanding against the Lord, who knoweth how to snatch the good from trial, and mercifully to deliver from danger those that trust in Him.".
John of Fordun's Chronicle. 113. League of King Bohert with John Comyn
So, in order that he might actually give effect to what he had gladly set his heart upon, for the good of the commonwealth, he humbly approached a certain noble, named John Comyn (who was then the most powerful man in the country), and faithfully laid before him the unworthy thraldom of the country, the cruel and endless tormenting of the people, and his own kind-hearted plan for giving them relief. Though, by right, and according to the laws and customs of the country, the honour of the kingly office and the succession to the governance of the kingdom were known to belong to him before any one else, yet, setting the public advantage before his own, Robert, in all purity and sincerity of purpose, gave John the choice of one of two courses: either that the latter should reign, and wholly take unto himself the kingdom, with its pertinents and royal honours, for ever, granting to the former all his own lands and possessions; or that all Robert's lands and possessions should come into the possession of John and his for ever, while the kingdom and the kingly honour were left to Robert. Thus, by their mutual advice as well as help, was to be brought to maturity the deliverance of the Scottish nation from the house of bondage and unworthy thraldom; and an indissoluble treaty of friendship and peace was to last between them. John was perfectly satisfied with the latter of the aforesaid courses; and thereupon a covenant was made between them, and guaranteed by means of sworn pledges, and by their indentures with their seals attached thereto. But John broke his word; and, heedless of the sacredness of his oath, kept accusing Robert before the king of England, through his ambassadors and private letters, and wickedly revealing that Robert's secrets. Although, however, Robert was more than once sounded thereupon by the aforesaid king, who even showed him the letters of his adversary who accused him, yet, inspired by God, he always returned an answer such that he over and over again softened the king's rage by his pleasant sayings and skilful words. The king, however, both because he was himself very wily and shrewd, and knew full well how to feign a sham friendship, and also because Robert was the true heir of the kingdom of Scotland, looked upon the latter with mistrust, - the more so because of John's accusations. So, because of his aforesaid grounds for mistrust, Edward bade Robert stay always at court; and he delayed putting him to death - or, at least, in prison - only until he could get the rest of this Robert's brothers together, and punish them and him at once, in one day, with sentence of death.
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John of Fordun's Chronicle. 110. The Estates of Scotland make their submission to the King of England
The same year, after the whole Estates of Scotland had made their submission to the king of England, John Comyn, then guardian, and all the magnates but William Wallace, little by little, one after another, made their submission unto him; and all their castles and towns - except Strivelyn Castle [Map], and the warden thereof - were surrendered unto him. That year, the king kept Lent at Saint Andrews [Map], where he called together all the great men of the kingdom, and held his parliament; and he made such decrees as he would, according to the state of the country - which, as he thought, had been gotten and won for him and his successors for ever - as well as about the dwellers therein.
John of Fordun's Chronicle. 115. Death of John Comyn's messenger
Now, when Robert was nearing the borders of the marches, there met him a messenger whom, when he sighted him afar off, he suspected, both from the fellow's gait and from his dress, to be a Scot. So, when he got nearer, he asked him whence he came and whither he was making his way. The messenger began to pour forth excuses for his sins; but Robert ordered his vassals to search him. Letters, sealed with Robert's seal about the covenant entered into between him and John Comyn, were found addressed to the king of England through this messenger, and were forthwith pulled out. The messenger's head was thereupon struck off, and God very much be praised for His guidance in this prosperous journey.
[his daughter] Elizabeth Comyn Baroness Talbot was born to John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch and Joan Valence Lady Baddenoch.
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The Chronicle of Geoffrey le Baker of Swinbroke. Baker was a secular clerk from Swinbroke, now Swinbrook, an Oxfordshire village two miles east of Burford. His Chronicle describes the events of the period 1303-1356: Gaveston, Bannockburn, Boroughbridge, the murder of King Edward II, the Scottish Wars, Sluys, Crécy, the Black Death, Winchelsea and Poitiers. To quote Herbert Bruce 'it possesses a vigorous and characteristic style, and its value for particular events between 1303 and 1356 has been recognised by its editor and by subsequent writers'. The book provides remarkable detail about the events it describes. Baker's text has been augmented with hundreds of notes, including extracts from other contemporary chronicles, such as the Annales Londonienses, Annales Paulini, Murimuth, Lanercost, Avesbury, Guisborough and Froissart to enrich the reader's understanding. The translation takes as its source the 'Chronicon Galfridi le Baker de Swynebroke' published in 1889, edited by Edward Maunde Thompson. Available at Amazon in eBook and Paperback.
John of Fordun's Chronicle. So that king of England went back with his men, having first appointed the officers of the sheriffdoms, and the wardens of the castles, in the districts beyond the water of Forth, which were then fully and wholly subject unto his sway - with the exception of a few outlaws (or, indeed, robbers), of Scottish birth, who were lurking in the woods, and could not, because of their misdeeds, submit to the laws. But John Comyn, then guardian of Scotland, and Simon Eraser, with their followers, day and night did their best to harass and annoy, by their great prowess, the aforesaid king's officers and bailiffs; and from the time of that king's departure, for four years and more, the English and the Anglicized Scots were harried by them, in manifold ways, by mutual slaughter and carnage, according to the issue of various wars.
[his daughter] Joan Comyn was born to John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch and Joan Valence Lady Baddenoch.
Kings Wessex: Great x 7 Grand Son of King Edmund "Ironside" I of England
Kings England: Great x 6 Grand Son of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
Kings Scotland: Great x 6 Grand Son of King Duncan I of Scotland
Kings Franks: Great x 15 Grand Son of Louis "Pious" King Aquitaine I King Franks
Kings France: Great x 7 Grand Son of Robert "Pious" II King France
Kings Duke Aquitaine: Great x 12 Grand Son of Ranulf I Duke Aquitaine
Great x 2 Grandfather: William Comyn Earl Buchan
Great x 1 Grandfather: Richard Comyn
Great x 3 Grandfather: Robert Fitzhugh Giffard
Great x 2 Grandmother: Sarah Fitzhugh
GrandFather: John "Red" Comyn 1st Lord Baddenoch
John Comyn 3rd Lord Baddenoch 6 x Great Grand Son of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
GrandFather: John Balliol
Mother: Mary or Eleanor Balliol Lady Baddenoch 5 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
Great x 1 Grandfather: Alan Lord of Galloway
GrandMother: Dervorguilla Galloway 4 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
Great x 4 Grandfather: King David I of Scotland
Great x 3 Grandfather: Henry Dunkeld 3rd Earl Huntingdon 1st Earl of Northumbria
Great x 4 Grandmother: Maud Queen Consort Scotland
Great x 2 Grandfather: David Dunkeld 8th Earl Huntingdon
Great x 4 Grandfather: William Warenne 2nd Earl of Surrey
Great x 3 Grandmother: Ada Warenne Countess Huntingdon and Northumbria
Great x 4 Grandmother: Elizabeth Capet Countess Leicester, Meulan and Surrey
Great x 1 Grandmother: Margaret Dunkeld 3 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
Great x 4 Grandfather: Ranulf Gernon 4th Earl Chester
Great x 3 Grandfather: Hugh de Kevelioc Gernon 5th Earl Chester Great Grand Son of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
Great x 4 Grandmother: Matilda Fitzrobert Countess Chester Grand Daughter of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
Great x 2 Grandmother: Matilda Gernon Countess Huntingdon 2 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
Great x 4 Grandfather: Simon "Chauve" Montfort 4th Count Évreux
Great x 3 Grandmother: Bertrade Montfort Countess Chester
Great x 4 Grandmother: Mathilde Unknown Countess Évreux